Curse

MithranArkanere · Jan 28, 2010, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Morticia of Cyana

All weapons (and maybe armor) that drop should be customized for the player that gets the drop, just like in other games. That would keep the economy quiet.

Customization upon drop won't do much good.

But maybe, and I say maybe, customization to USE.
Either eat the cake or sell it, but not both.

Currently, most people, especially with caster weapons, and for ALL offhand items, don't customize them.

Why? Becase they'll may want to sell it later.
Force customization to use them, like with armors, and you would only customize the ones you REALLY want to use, and ALWAYS sell the rest, since keeping them would be useless, for to use them, you have to customize them. So you'll have to either decide to use or sell them.
That would drastically reduce equipped item hoarding.

To put it simply, an item sink.

If you keep in the market a rare weapon, the next ones will have their values decreased. A weapon with 1000000 like it in the market will always have a lower value than one that has only 1000 appearances. That's basic.
If people can't sell the ones they use, they won't make money after using the item for a long time.

But, before that, I would change customization to be fully account wide, like with Zaishen keys, and add customization maluses for uncustomized offhand (so PvP items are unnafected, since once customized would be just like now, but suffer some penalties when uncustomized), and better customization bonuses for caster weapons. After doing that the downside of having to customize would be at least slightly... shadowed for a customization revamp: "Hey! I can't sell this after using it!" - "Well, at least any of your other characters and heroes in the account can".

DBMan · Jan 28, 2010, 09:03 PM // 21:03

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Tom

because the only time people interact is to buy/sell right?

because your main goal in any game is to make friends over the web.

Del · Jan 28, 2010, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by DBMan

because your main goal in any game is to make friends over the web.

And that has anything to do with buying/selling rare weapons how?

Edit: Oh i see what you're saying, but playing an online game just to get rich is pretty sad. Compensating for something?

Shriketalon · Jan 28, 2010, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by lishi

Caster were lucky: collectors

But casters couldn't get rare weapons with decent sta--

Oh, right. Prophecies.

Casters didn't get nice things in Prophecies.

Voodoo Rage · Jan 28, 2010, 09:39 PM // 21:39

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

...and better customization bonuses for caster weapons.

Yeah, no kidding. I don't think I've ever customized a staff or wand.

Chronos the Defiler · Jan 28, 2010, 09:55 PM // 21:55

This is the oldest weapon I have:

This is probably my second oldest...i think...

nothing anywhere near the others posted at the start of this thread though...

Arduin · Jan 28, 2010, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I've got a r8 15^50 dye-able Shadow Bow

Customized so it's worthless in a sense, but i still like the rare quality of it.

chadS · Jan 29, 2010, 01:52 AM // 01:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morticia of Cyana

All weapons (and maybe armor) that drop should be customized for the player that gets the drop, just like in other games. That would keep the economy quiet.

Horrible idea. Just horrible.

chaosincarnate87 · Jan 29, 2010, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Tom

And that has anything to do with buying/selling rare weapons how?

Edit: Oh i see what you're saying, but playing an online game just to get rich is pretty sad. Compensating for something?

yeah cuz i waste hours upon hours on this game to give away my things and not be rich? no. thats the goal ultimately in the game, progression. getting rich is part of progression. esp when you have multiple characters through every campagn.

edit. after re-reading, to clarify what i was saying is that, ffs, some of these people have 5+ characters thru all the campagns, all thats left is sitting around and trading, or get shat upon by the pvp community for not doing that 20 hours a day. sorry, i have more fun in town trading/chatting with people now than i do actually doing things. if that makes any sort of sense.

Del · Jan 29, 2010, 03:09 AM // 03:09

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Originally Posted by chaosincarnate87

yeah cuz i waste hours upon hours on this game to give away my things and not be rich? no. thats the goal ultimately in the game, progression. getting rich is part of progression. esp when you have multiple characters through every campagn.

edit. after re-reading, to clarify what i was saying is that, ffs, some of these people have 5+ characters thru all the campagns, all thats left is sitting around and trading, or get shat upon by the pvp community for not doing that 20 hours a day. sorry, i have more fun in town trading/chatting with people now than i do actually doing things. if that makes any sort of sense.

...Or, brilliant 3rd option, if you're reduced to trading for fun, QUIT. play something else. that or pvp, but then again, most of you probably prefer trading because you're actually good at that.

Morticia of Cyana · Jan 29, 2010, 09:47 AM // 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

Customization upon drop won't do much good.

But maybe, and I say maybe, customization to USE.
Either eat the cake or sell it, but not both.

Currently, most people, especially with caster weapons, and for ALL offhand items, don't customize them.

Why? Becase they'll may want to sell it later.
Force customization to use them, like with armors, and you would only customize the ones you REALLY want to use, and ALWAYS sell the rest, since keeping them would be useless, for to use them, you have to customize them. So you'll have to either decide to use or sell them.
That would drastically reduce equipped item hoarding.

To put it simply, an item sink.

If you keep in the market a rare weapon, the next ones will have their values decreased. A weapon with 1000000 like it in the market will always have a lower value than one that has only 1000 appearances. That's basic.
If people can't sell the ones they use, they won't make money after using the item for a long time.

But, before that, I would change customization to be fully account wide, like with Zaishen keys, and add customization maluses for uncustomized offhand (so PvP items are unnafected, since once customized would be just like now, but suffer some penalties when uncustomized), and better customization bonuses for caster weapons. After doing that the downside of having to customize would be at least slightly... shadowed for a customization revamp: "Hey! I can't sell this after using it!" - "Well, at least any of your other characters and heroes in the account can".

A very nice idea! People who object to this will most likely be elitist with tons of fancy stuff. Go play WoW if you want that.

Guild Wars was meant to be a non-grinding game, but all people do these days is grinding themselves to death for a VS or BDS. The game has lost it's value. I wish the good old pug-days were back.

YunSooJin · Jan 29, 2010, 10:20 AM // 10:20

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Originally Posted by Morticia of Cyana

A very nice idea! People who object to this will most likely be elitist with tons of fancy stuff. Go play WoW if you want that.

Guild Wars was meant to be a non-grinding game, but all people do these days is grinding themselves to death for a VS or BDS. The game has lost it's value. I wish the good old pug-days were back.

yeah!! people who disagree with you are elitists with better stuff than you! they should go play WoW!

really? I know gwg isnt the epitome of critical thinking but if this is all we can come up with we might want to reconsider where the human race is heading

Verene · Jan 29, 2010, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morticia of Cyana

A very nice idea! People who object to this will most likely be elitist with tons of fancy stuff. Go play WoW if you want that.

Guild Wars was meant to be a non-grinding game, but all people do these days is grinding themselves to death for a VS or BDS. The game has lost it's value. I wish the good old pug-days were back.

Um. It's non-grind required. There is still optional grind in the game. If someone wants to go do a thousand VSF runs, then that's great for them, but it's certainly not required that they do so.

I dislike the customize-upon-use idea, too. Not because I have a bunch of shiny stuff I want to use and then sell, but rather because I can't afford to have every single character completely kitted out with perfect weapons and thus share weapons between them - even between both of my accounts (My Dervish and Assassin share the same staff for running. My Mesmer and two Monks share the same caster set. Why? Less time and money spent getting weapons and modding them, or farming a green/collector items, and since I'm only using one character at a time anyway, why not).

DBMan · Jan 29, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Tom

...Or, brilliant 3rd option, if you're reduced to trading for fun, QUIT. play something else. that or pvp, but then again, most of you probably prefer trading because you're actually good at that.

Guess you dont play much MMOs, but it's not really easy to just quit when you've gained so much.

Unless Anet nerfs everything.

Del · Jan 29, 2010, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by DBMan

Guess you dont play much MMOs, but it's not really easy to just quit when you've gained so much.

Unless Anet nerfs everything.

Yup, devote your life to GW despite the fact that you're bored enough to stand around in kamadan trading, just because of some pixels you've acquired. Your posts make tons of sense.

chaosincarnate87 · Jan 29, 2010, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Apathetic Tom

Yup, devote your life to GW despite the fact that you're bored enough to stand around in kamadan trading, just because of some pixels you've acquired. Your posts make tons of sense.

just because you find something boring doesn't mean everyone else does. pvp is boring as shit to me, but there's a pretty sizable community for that, just as there is trading, or speed clearing (which again, is boring as shit) or anything else... sorry i enjoy getting on occasionally to trade or talk to some guildies, god forbid any of us ever be social, no no no farm farm farm.... none of YOUR posts make any damn sense.

moriz · Jan 29, 2010, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by chaosincarnate87

yeah cuz i waste hours upon hours on this game to give away my things and not be rich? no. thats the goal ultimately in the game, progression. getting rich is part of progression. esp when you have multiple characters through every campagn.

edit. after re-reading, to clarify what i was saying is that, ffs, some of these people have 5+ characters thru all the campagns, all thats left is sitting around and trading, or get shat upon by the pvp community for not doing that 20 hours a day. sorry, i have more fun in town trading/chatting with people now than i do actually doing things. if that makes any sort of sense.

until all your "progression" somehow buys you a character that's actually statistically better than anyone else's, you are not "progressing"; you're just a hamster running in a wheel.

[DE] · Jan 29, 2010, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Ignoring some of your imposed rules, the Heaven's Arch, Bonecrusher, and Storm Ember are the 3 rarest items in the game. They're Korean Coke items from the Coca-cola promotion done in 2005. They were blue/spawnable but the promotion for them was only directed towards Koreans and of the few that got the Coke items, none still play.

RhanoctJocosa · Feb 05, 2010, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Inscribable Soul Wedding sword. /thread

Bob Slydell · Feb 05, 2010, 06:46 AM // 06:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shriketalon

But casters couldn't get rare weapons with decent sta--

Oh, right. Prophecies.

Casters didn't get nice things in Prophecies.

lol. Sundering Wands n shit. Gotta love it though... old school.